In this episode of Season 2 of The Agile CEO, JJ Sutherland sits down with General Sir Gwyn Jenkins, First Sea Lord of the Royal Navy, to explore how agility is transforming one of the world’s oldest and most tradition-bound institutions.

As the senior leader of tens of thousands of sailors and marines, Jenkins has seen firsthand how rigid bureaucracies stall decision-making and threaten mission readiness. In this candid conversation, he shares why he chose to go “all-in” on Scrum, how breaking down rank and hierarchy liberated his people, and why time—not resources—is the greatest risk any leader faces.

From reorganizing centuries of tradition to turning agility into a warfighting capability, Jenkins reveals what it takes to lead through complexity, inspire high performance, and create teams that move at the pace of relevance.

If you are a leader navigating bureaucracy, entrenched systems, or the pressures of modern competition, this episode shows how agility can cut through complexity and unlock speed, resilience, and purpose.

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